Friday, February 12, 2010

Another question about Hitler being Jewish? This false and inaccurate idea has been asked on R&S hundreds of?

times and one would think the rumor has been debunked enough. But almost every day there's another question about Hitler being Jewish? So what I want to know is why does it seem as though many people WANT to believe that Hitler was Jewish or had Jewish ancestors? What if that were true....how would that change anything? He was a raving lunatic who murdered millions of people. Why do some people want to believe he was Jewish?Another question about Hitler being Jewish? This false and inaccurate idea has been asked on R%26amp;S hundreds of?
I must very strongly disagree that it does not matter what role religion played in Hitler’s POWER and HOW he was able to enact the Holocaust. People claim he was insane, he was mad, …he was able to function very effectively and gain the SUPPORT and adulation of millions of people. Don’t you care to know HOW he did it and WHY so that you can RECOGNIZE when another EVIL and MADMAN attempts to entice good people to do evil for him again? Don’t you want to know how to prevent it from happening again?


Then you cannot allow people to lie about the fact that Hitler successfully USED the STRONG Catholic AND Protestant Christian beliefs of Europeans to his goals.


I AM AMAZED at the number of people who have fallen for the “urban legend” that Hitler had any Jewish ancestry.


I think it is important to acknowledge what Hitler practiced and what he publicly declared hundreds of times and what the people who lived in Europe at the time believed ABOUT HIM THEN. I say this is because to forget means that it could happen again ..and what I mean by that is..that religious fundamentalism can be used to incite people to do uncivilized things in a civilized nation. The Christian majority populace in Europe who gave him massive popular support did so because they believed they were also serving the interests of THEIR faith. If millions can be brainwashed by such things, we need to KNOW HOW it happened! Denial that he used Christianity is so dangerous in my view. Europe, from the mid 1800s until World War 2, had been riding a tidal wave of religious fundamentalism. The following are quotes and statements and links to where one may find evidence from the HUNDREDS of existing transcripts of speeches ( in print and on FILM) that directly refer to his Christian belief.


The Communists..because they were “godless” were condemned and were the political enemies and rivals of the Nazi party. Political posters using religious symbolism to gain support from Christians for the Nazi party demonized the Communists because of their atheism. Now here are some links and quotes and comments PLEASE read them and study this more on your own. An excellent book from a NON JEWISH persepective of how Hitler and the Nazis gained the support of GOOD HEARTED PEOPLE who did not realize the enormity of the atrocities they unwittingly aided until it was too late, is “The Resistance of the White Rose” by Inge Scholl. She wrote a chilling tale from the perspective of one of many youth who were at first enticed by this movement..and then when it became clear that evil had gripped the nation under the guise of good..her family suffered greatly as a result. Their resistance movement is something I hope all read about.


http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm %26lt;%26lt;go here!


“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.” --1941, Adolph Hitler to General Gerhart Engel


';Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people.'; Adolf Hitler, speech given during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933, 26 April 1933


He made Christian school prayer mandatory for the 1930's German schoolchildren who grew up to be his SS. He did this in all occupied nations as well, Yugoslavia and Poland EMBRACED this Christian prayer in their schools and saw it as superior to the godless Communist rulers. Nazi soldiers wore belt buckles inscribed with ';Gott mit uns'; (God is with us). (there is a photo of the belt buckle at a page at that site along with many other photographic evidence of Hitler’s personal practices and affiliations)


“The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.”-- Adolf Hitler, ';Mein Kampf';


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”-- Adolf Hitler, ';Mein Kampf';


“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.'; --Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922


‘Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!’”-- Adolf Hitler, ';Mein Kampf';


';“I may not be a light of the church, a pulpiteer, but deep down I am a pious man, and believe that whoever fights bravely in defense of the natural laws framed by God and never capitulates will never be deserted by the Lawgiver, but will, in the end, receive the blessings of Providence.”-- Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered on July 5, 1944


“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”--Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin, October 24, 1933.In view of the political climate, we should take notice of Hitler's speeches and how he came to office in Germany in 1933.In the 1920s, Hitler's German Workers' Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a ';Programme'; with twenty-five points. In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a ';positive'; Christianity: ';We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession.... '; Hitler's speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of faith. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveals the strength of his Christian feelings: ';My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... ';


';And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.'; Adolf Hitler, in his speech on April 12,1922 [Note, ';brood of vipers'; appears in Matt. 3:7 %26amp; 12:34. John 2:15 depicts Jesus driving out the money changers (adders) from the temple.]


';Excerpt: ';The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life..The National Government regard the two Christian Confessions as the weightiest factors for the maintenance of our nationality. They will respect the agreements concluded between them and the federal States. Their rights are not to be infringed.... It will be the Government's care to maintain honest co-operation between Church and State; the struggle against materialistic views and for a real national community is just as much in the interest of the German nation as in that of the welfare of our Christian faith.';


';The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.'; (Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933) On 5th June 1945 pastor Martin Niemöller gave a press conference in Naples. He admitted that he had offered to join the German Navy in 1939. This resulted in a savage attack on Niemöller from those newspapers that had presented him as a symbol of resistance to Hitler's government. In 1946 Niemöller wrote a poems that illustrated the role that the Church played in the development of Nazi Germany: First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist; Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;Another question about Hitler being Jewish? This false and inaccurate idea has been asked on R%26amp;S hundreds of?
Dear One God,





First of all, as some have mentioned before, even if you have ';Jewish


blood'; (whatever that means, Jews have the same blood as the rest of


us...), that doesn't make a Jew.





However, Hitler had no verifiable ancestor that was Jewish. The


Holocaust History site states:


'; Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe


that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky


history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence


of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.';
There are still some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish, and that he tried to hide it from the public.


Few historians on the Holocaust believe that this is true.


It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep his history secret because there was a high incidence of insanity in his family.
It's the irony factor. Since Hitler was working off of a Jewish = race concept, what better than to find out that the Führer actually had Jewish ancestors?





The fact that his Aryan Superman concept included blue eyes and blond hair (neither of which he had) makes him ridiculous enough for me. And the unquestionable incest in his family tree casts whatever aspersions others would have done by accusations of Jewishness.
One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish





When he started his reign of terror, he was not a Catholic either
Yeah, it's frustrating all right :)





I think SOME people want it to be true so they can then wax lyrical about Hitler 'hating himself' and taking it out on six million Jews. Load of rubbish, clearly.





So many historians have looked extensively at the issue of Hitler's family - and EVERY SINGLE ONE concluded that there is NOT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE that Hitler had a single Jewish relative.





It's really just one of the many moronic things that SOME people out there say about the Holocaust.





I get more worried when I read those posts in the HISTORY forum, to be honest...!





Shabbat Shalom, Irene :)











PANGEL - am surprised at you. Hitler had NO 'jewish ancestry'. Either cite your 'proof' or please delete that incorrect statement.
The first time I've ever come across this rather odd theory is when you posted it just now, otherwise I've never seen a question on here about Hitler being Jewish and I'm a daily visitor!





Edit - 22.23 -- I did put it into the YA search engine and it's coming up with questions from 10 months ago , a year ago 2 years ago. I really don't think this gets asked as much as you think it does!!!!!
I agree! Many also want to believe instead of the deranged lunatic he was, he was some sort of devout Christian.





Its ridiculous, I say we call a spade a spade as opposed to furthering some sort of anti-Jew or anti-Christian agenda.
I never heard he was Jewish the only thing I did hear was that he had a Stepfather who was Jewish but like you said who cares what he was he was a Murdering Lunatic who IMO is rotting in Hell...


Small Man Complex who was the Spawn of Satan..
Correction - Hitler never murdered anyone. He was a coward. He only ORDERED the killing of 4-6M jews, but never actually killed anyone. Kinda like Charles Manson...
Hitler was Austrian. He despised his country which he saw as too liberal and free-thinking. Many Jewish people took refuge from the pogroms in Russia and this too angered Hitler.
I have had people passionately argue with me that he was. I finally gave up and said ';What ever.';





Once people decide something, it's hard to change thier mind.
thats not correct..





hes not worth discussing..
It's much easier to focus on one monster rather than on the millions of Christians who enthusiastically participated in the slaughter.





What does that say about the Christian culture? Is ';turning the other cheek'; really the best option?





I have often heard it said that the God of the Old Testament is vengeful, whereas Jesus’ teachings are more humane; that the Old Testament is about law, whereas the New Testament is about love. There are endless comparisons between the Hebrew Bible’s “eye for an eye” law (which has always been interpreted by the Jews to mean financial compensation rather than an eye itself) and Jesus’ magnanimous philosophy of “turn the other cheek.” It is undeniable that Judaism champions law above love, practice above faith, and religious service above theology and dogma, for which it has paid an enormous price in terms of popularity. Judaism maintains wholeheartedly that love without law is nothing more than meaningless sentimentalism, which will ultimately end in cruelty. As the popular saying goes, “He who is kind to those who are cruel will end up being cruel to those who are kind.”


…”Paul’s excoriation and condemnation of the law has directly influenced millions of people to see only oppression in the Torah.” “Judaism rejects these attacks. Law is the ultimate safeguard for love. The separation of law and religion has proved to be a great calamity for human civilization. First, it means that atrocities can be perpetrated in the name of God and no one can say that religious law forbids it. Furthermore, the Christian rejection of law as a religious discipline would guarantee religion’s divorce from the world and its realities. That religion has lost out to secularism as the mainstream guide to human life is a direct result of the detached role that religion began to play when Christianity abrogated the law. To say that religion cannot be about law is to say that religion is not designed to regulate human life!”


.
I don't understand the fascination with this nonsense, either. The motives probably vary. Morbid fascination combined with gullibility for some. The notion of irony for others. It doesn't matter, I think. The world is full of people with crazy ideas, they like to talk about them on the internet, and a lot of them congregate here.





Where if they wanted to learn history, each and every one should read L'Chaim's post above several times over. I wish I could give it more than one thumbs up. The question of why millions participated enthusiastically in the murder of the innocents is indeed what is important about this disgraceful chapter in European history, and I am so glad to read it from a fellow human being here rather than from yet another history book.





I think it diminishes the guilt of the many murderers to say that Hitler was a raving lunatic who murdered millions. He was a raving anti-Semite, much like those who post here daily in the Israel section, and was popular in large part because his countrymen shared his sentiments. The reason people in the U.S. first dismissed his promises to kill the Jews was that they assumed he was just saying it to win popularity, the way politicians now say they will cut taxes. What does that say about Europe in the 20th century?
yeah, and Darwin converted on his death bed, Dawkins couldn't answer how mutations add information, etc....





it's the typical fundie mendacity. lying for jesus.





edit:


paperback ^ is correct. the rumors, and that's all they are, regarding hitler's jewish ancestry are the result of a claim made at the Nuremberg Trials that hitler's grandfather, a man that his grandmother refused to actually name so we don't know who he was, was actually a man whom his grandmother worked for and that that man was jewish. the problem is that the town where this all is said to have taken place has no record of the name of the family, and so of the man, that his grandmother, according to the claim, was supposed to have worked for. furthermore, the town, Graz, had been 'cleaned' of it's resident jews in the 15th century and they hadn't been allowed to return until 1856, 20 years AFTER hitler's grandfather was supposed to have been born.





it's just not true. all the evidence, not rumors, evidence, is that hitler was a catholic early in life through to adulthood and that at some point, while still a believer in what he called 'providence', he began decrying christianity. his quotes, both public and private bear this out.
Hitler's nephew, ';Willie'; Hitler, a British-raised German, had the run of Berlin in the early days of the NAZI party. He threatened Adolph with disclosing the news of Hebrew ancestry to the press if he didn't let Willie do what he wanted. Eventually it became too dangerous and Willie to return the UK to raise awareness of Adolph's sinister doings. This doesn't prove Hitler had Hebrew blood, of course, but it's interesting, none the less.
I doesnt really matter, but his grandparents were in fact, Jewish. He had their grave sites turned into a tank training facility to cover it up.





Grandparents on his mothers side i mean.





To Steve N, he wasnt an Aryan at all.. he was either Slavic or Nordic. i cant remember which right now, but he wasnt Aryan. Aryans are people with blonde hair, blue eyes, and caucasian skin. he had Brown hair %26amp; eyes.
Some of his relatives were in fact Jewish. He was a crazy man and he hated these relatives. Because he was crazy, he thought that all Jews should feel the hatred that he had for those realatives. It is thought a myth because he changed his family tree so that it would not seem that he was realted to Jews.
it doesn't change a thing


but the reason why so many say this is because so many people think Hitler was an atheist





he was a Catholic and yes he did have Jewish ancestry


but he was still just a mad man
He was not Jewish by faith but his mother was partly Jewish by race.





He was not the perfect arian.
he was christian..





and he was Austrian...





he was just like god, god killed millions of people. so god is just a raving lunatic.
Because his mother was Jewish.

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